lutea and caerulea

[jeff]

I must say that I am very intrigued by this lutea pale form with a dark red calyx lobs

it is a naturel see in the wild or a cultivar ?

these 2 live together in the same area, I think ?

I almost always see lutea with the green lobs calyx and those of caerulea dark red, I am mistaken?

could not your step considered a naturel hybridization between the 2 which thus gives a pale lutea with a dark red calyx lobs ? or it is a new form of lutea , what do you think ?

enlighten us BRIAN ;D

jeff

[daniel]

Jeff,

not only P. caerulea has red/brown sepals, P. primuliflora and P. ionantha as well.
And Brian mentioned in one of his reports that the pale form is growing about 30 mintes away from a P. ionantha location.
And from the flower colour it fits much better than the lilac flower colour of P. caerulea.

That was also one reason why i asked you both if i should try a crossing between P. lutea and P. ionantha.
But i´m not saying that it´s a crossing between them.

Best regards,

Dani

[jeff]

DANI

OK with you ,for the morphologic caracters

but the soil in which they grow are not same , more wet with immersed period for primuliflora, ionantha, planifolia not for the other 3

the distribution area from caerulea and lutea are almost the same, their growing condition also .

their flower very close , perhaps also some relation between lutea f alba and caerulea var leucantha , some studies to make .

for me a crossing in ionantha x planifolia and caerulea x lutea would reserve surprises, it is my opinion

[Brian Barnes]

Hello!
To my knowledge, there are absolutely no P. caerulea growing anywhere near the P. lutea "pale flower" forms depicted in my photo. All Pinguicula that were present in the entire area of the photograph (entire colony), were in flower all at once and were either pale, white (rare) or yellow flowered forms...

In my opinion, it's simply an excellent example of plant/seedling diversity which has taken place over many years of the colony's successful existence over many generations.
I believe that the older the established colony, the greater the diversity that is possible...Thus explaining the non-existence of the pale and white flowered forms in certain (most) colonies I've studied. Younger colonies haven't been around "long enough" to show diversity amongst plants....yet!
An excellent example is the different plant/ flower forms just beginning to appear within my Byblis 'Goliath' due to seedling diversity emerging within the species, due to frequent and selective cross pollination efforts.

Happy Growing,
Brian.

[daniel]

Hi,

surely it´s only seed/plant diversity after there are growing no other species at the same place.
I´m very happy that there is almost no seed/plant diversity in the south american Drosera, it´s difficult enough.

There are excisting so many man made hybrids between the mexican Pinguicula, i´m wondering why there are not excisting any man made hybrids between north american Pinguicula.
If it really would be possible, for sure somebody would have done it till now, but who knows.

Are the flowers from the ´pale´, white flowering or the "normal" form different in their size as well or is it only the colour?

Best regards,

Dani

[jeff]

Bonjour à vous deux

BRIAN
on your station you have no caerulea OK , but if we look their distribution area , a lot have similar in florida ( colombia,pasco,orange ,etc )

you saw others lutea “normal” or “alba” which presented this same color of sepals ( dark red )? desolate that intrigues me much ;D

in Europe on grandiflora we have also this phenomen but opposite on the “normal” form we have a pedicel, sepals and a capsule of seed dark red on the form 'pallida' the color of these elements are green.
to differentiate them, botanists given to her a infraspecific name from form ;D
all their morphologic caracters are perenn and the seeds give the same plant.

grandiflora subsp grandiflora

grandiflora subsp grandiflora f pallida


you see the different colour ;D these 2 taxons are in the same area.

jeff