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Post by andreas on Mar 27, 2009 15:46:08 GMT -5
Hi again, no post for a long time here, so I thought I should present you my brandnew adult pitcher of my beloved Heliamphora sarracenioides. The pitcher has reached a height of almost 15 cm. Enjoy! Andy By the way: Yes, it´s a all nectar hanging on the interior of the hood. *yum yum*
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Post by Brian Barnes on Mar 28, 2009 7:50:47 GMT -5
Hi Andy, Very nice indeed! Maybe try some nectar in your coffee or tea...Mmmmmm... ;D Great plant, thanks for sharing it. Brian.
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Post by daniel on Mar 28, 2009 19:40:16 GMT -5
Hi Andy, wow, really wonderful plant. Mine will need about 100-200 years untill they will have this size. ;D Best regards, Dani
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Post by andreas on Mar 31, 2009 7:40:26 GMT -5
Hi Brrrrrian and Dani, hey, that´s a good idea! I´ll taste H. sarracenioides nectar in my tea tonite! *LOL* ;D Dani, I was also afraid I´d receive mature pitchers only in 10 years or so when I received the tiny plantlet from Wistuba! It was barely 4 cm in diametre and I paid 70.- EUR for that "thing"! But finally it paid off. The plant got 14 growing points! I swapped one layer with Chris Klein, and two others I sold. ;D I received that plant in 2006 (if I´m not wrong) and already in 2007 first mature pitchers appeared. It grows very well for me! Psst! By the way I once tasted nectar of H. chimantensis - very sweet - it somehow caused a slight prickle on my taste buds. Some scientists assumed there would be narcotics in the nectar of Heliamphora which cause ants and other insects to lose their footing and fall into the water pool below. ;D Cheers! Andy
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Post by daniel on Mar 31, 2009 19:33:21 GMT -5
Hi Andy, i´ve given up the hope that my H. sarracenioides will get bigger in the near future, since i got them they absolutely have not increased in size. Some of the plants Andreas W. is selling are really strange, for sure because of the massive iv-propagation. That´s also the reason why i´ll not order plaants there again. The iv-propagation is for example the reason why D. spec. Duida (probably D. yutajensis) is not producing any seed, really a pity, because it´s a wonderful plant. So, when you have again some new adult growing points in spare i would have nothing against a swap or something like this. Sounds really interesting, i´ve to try it too. Best regards, Dani
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Post by andreas on Apr 1, 2009 5:22:34 GMT -5
Some of the plants Andreas W. is selling are really strange, for sure because of the massive iv-propagation. That´s also the reason why i´ll not order plaants there again. Guess, why almost all of Wistubas Nepenthes rajahs have never become bigger than 6 to 8 cm in diametre. Or think on the H. hispida from iv propagation. Mature pitchers simply don´t become bigger than 7 cm! I wouldn´t state all of Wistubas plants are bad quality, but the mentioned problems particularly occur on recent discoveries of species which are much sought-after! I´ve put you on the waiting list for next available layers of H. sarracenioides. I hope next spring it will be easier to divide the plant. Hopefully you are a little patient! Best regards, Andreas
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Post by Brian Barnes on Apr 1, 2009 10:23:44 GMT -5
Hey Guys, Interesting you speak of this....I am experiencing the same thing with my H. hispida and H. neblinae. THe plants keep bunching and forming multiple crowns, but the pitchers stay small and inmature. These have been doing this for a year now. All of my other species are fine....Hmmmm. Definitely a possibility of over-production in vitro. Francois, I'd love to hear your opinion on this. I do know that the two species I've mentioned need more of a temp drop at night than the others... Happy Growing, Briiiiiiiiian.
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Post by andreas on Apr 6, 2009 12:42:37 GMT -5
Brian,
there are a couple of well experienced people who confirm mass apply of artificial phyto hormons to receive as many as possible clones from a single plantlet can cause disturbance of growth like we are suffering on some of our plants! Ronny Heirbaut has a friend who is a professional in in vitro propagation and Ronny reported to me several problems of iv propagation. Also there was a discussion at forum.carnivoren.org (the German CPS board) about iv plants that show unnatural growth behaviour. The discussed item was Nepenthes rajah from Wistuba which never became bigger than 6 to 8 cm in diametre with pitchers only 1.5 to 2 cm in height. I grew a couple of those plants. Some are reported to suddenly die after 10 or so years! It´s not my intention to bash Wistuba. The majority of Nepenthes and Heliamphora I grow originate from him. And they are growing naturally and well. But from time to time clones - not only of Wistubas laboratory!! - get into circulation that show annyoing behaviour in growth. Wistuba told me some years ago he would sort these clones out as soon as he becomes aware of such properties. *shrug* I think no commercial seller can in the long term afford to displease his customers. I have no clue: Is it some kind of pressure commercial plant propagators are affected by the greedyness of plant collectors or is it just business sense..... Or maybe both!!! ;D
I have decided to only purchase bigger and long-term established plants now.
Kindest regards,
Andreas
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Post by Brian Barnes on Apr 6, 2009 14:41:21 GMT -5
Hey Andy, Interesting.... Yes, I do know that certain hormones are added to TC plants to slow down and stop the rapid cell division, while in vitro. Otherwise, they'd just keep dividing and multiplying. I'll bet that that's why some stay small and immature for long periods of time. The "slowing down" hormones never wear off! Brrrrian.
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Post by jeff on May 6, 2009 2:18:09 GMT -5
perhaps also a problem in the in vitro mixture , in particular in the reducers of growths, if it uses some one
jeff
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Post by stevestewart on May 7, 2009 7:52:51 GMT -5
When pioneering with unusual plants and growing methods there are bound to be some problems to overcome. We shouldn't take for granted how rare this "hobby" is, and how lucky we are to have the opportunity to see, let alone grow, these never before grown plants. Thank you for sharing!
Take care, Steven Stewart
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