P. ionantha in flower

[daniel]

Hi all,

my P. ionantha (for my sadness without location data) are in flower, in fact it´s one plant that splitted. Since last year i have 3 plants or better said a multi-crowned plant.
It´s nearly totally white coloured and the flowers are about 1,5cm in diameter, much smaller in comparison to my P. lutea.

P. ionantha is one of my favorites because it´s pushing several inflorescences every season (sometimes up to 7 and more), so in fact they are flowering over several months.
After my experiance the other north americans are not flowering that much often.

Brian, what´s the reason for that, is it in nature the same?

first the plant itself (it´s growing in a 7cm square pot)

emerging flower

the opened flower, but under my conditions they are not openening fully, nethertheless the light level should be enough










BTW, it has some glandular areas too.


And here is my only P. planifolia (also without location data), but i have to wait a little bit for the flower. It´s nearly 6cm in diameter and it´s not getting bigger

Brian, you are absolutely right, since the water level is much higher it seems to grow better.

And here is my only P. caerulea (also without location data ), since i´m holding it a little bit drier the rosette is getting a little bit smaller.


Best regards,

Dani

[jeff]

just a word "magnifique"

Dani all your subtropical US come from seeds or you had these plants , adult

[Brian Barnes]

Hello,
Excellent flower, Dani! Looks like there's more to come as well...
Usually 'in situ', P. planifolia and P. ionantha, flower about the same time. I'm surprised that your P. planifolia isn't giving you some about this time as well. From what I've seen, cooler temps seem to trigger these two species into flowering. Typically, this takes place from December thru March in their natural habitat.
The only other Southeastern US Pings I know of that prefers cooler conditions for flowering is P. pumila.
The others like to wait for warmer temps in early Spring...
Have you subjected your P. ionanthas to cooler temps and not the P. planifolia, by chance? Even their growing "spot", if under lights can have slightly different temps.
Mine are grown completely outdoors year-round and unsheltered. I do submerge them completely if a frost is coming...

I suggest subjecting P. planifolia to some cooler temps and see what happens.. The crown-splitting shows that your P. ionantha are happy! Now....make tons of seed!

Happy Growing,
Brian.

[daniel]

Thanks Jeff and Brian,

Jeff, i received P. planifolia and P. caerulea as little plants from a german grower one year ago, who gives from time to time some plants away. From this person i´m also growing 2 other clones of P. lutea, one is without location data, the second one is from ´Citronelle, Alabama, USA´, but till now it has not flowered.

The P. lutea plants from my last tpic are all grown from seed as i mentioned in the P. lutea topic and nearly all of them have survived.
About 5 years ago i have sown out P. ionantha seed (about 15), but only one plant germinated. This is the plant in this topic.

Brian, yes, all of them are pushing flowers and the first one is pushing it´s second one.
It really seems so that the cooler nights are inducing the flowering. P. ionantha and P. planifolia are growing in the same room and are growing under the same light, but untill a few weeks ago P. planifolia was growing in a mini terrarium so in fact there was not so much ventilation and perhaps it was a little bit warmer because the lights have been a little bit closer.
Now it´s growing in one of my trays near to P. ionantha where they have more ventilation because of the open windows and the water level is also much higher. My night temperatures are about 10-12 degree in the moment, so i hope that it will start to flower too.

P. pumila i´m not growing till now. 2 years ago i received some plants, but they have been to week and i lost them about one month later.
But good to know that cooler temperatures are inducing the flowering.

I would like to grow them outside too, but i think it will not be possible here, i could grow them 3/4 year outside but than the shock would be too big when i take them inside.
That´s the reason why i´m growing them all the year inside.

Are you submerging your P. ionantha as well, i thought only P. planifolia?
How many days you are waiting before pollinating them, is it perhaps also important when (morning, afternoon, evening) you are pollinating them?

Good to hear that they are happy after they are splitting.
And about the seed, i hope i will mange it, because genetically it´s one plant and that means again that i have to self pollinate them.

Best regards,

Dani

[Brian Barnes]

Hi Dani,
I've only experimented with submerging P. ionantha in cultivation, so I can give you no definite results as of yet... Although, they do grow near P. planifolia and are subjected to the same 'in situ'

I always pollinate in the afternoons, so that the pollen is nice and dry. I use a 30X loop to view the "fluffyness" of the pollen. If it is fluffy, then it is ready! ;D Also, make sure you can see mucilage-like droplets on the stigma. This shows that it is receptive.

Happy Growing,
Brian.

[daniel]

Hi Brian,

thanks for your hints, to use a loop is a very good idea.
I think i will raise the water level for P. ionantha too, but only slightely at first.

BTW, the seed capsule of my second P. lutea (the burned one ) begins to swollen too, i hope that i have been successful this time, and if not there are 7 plants left.
Some day i´ll learn it. ;D

Best regards,

Dani

[jeff]

Bonjour à tous

please,let us can not be introduced the infraspecific concept of row on all the different form to subtropical US.
like lutea var alba ( white form) pumila var buswelli (yellow form) caerulea var leucantha( white form)
in the measurement which the characters of color are perennial on 3 years and the seeds reproduce these same color ;D.

tell us yours ideas

jeff

[Brian Barnes]

Hey Jeff,
I'm sorry, but I can't understand your question... Could you re-word it please?
Thanks!
Brian.

[andreas]

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Best regards,

Andreas


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[andreas]

Oh! Sorry for having been "offtopic"!

[jeff]

yes I use sometime 'worldlingo' my english is not very good ,desolate , perhaps like your french ANDREAS .

BRIAN you do not know in taxonomy the concept of infraspecific row
with sp ; subsp ; var ; f ?

lutea var alba ( white form) pumila var buswelli (yellow form) caerulea var leucantha( white form) have a infraspecific row : var ( variety)

I think that we must use all these row on all the subtropical US ping .

the condition : to have all the morphologic characters perenn on 3 consecutive years and a seedling identical to the mother .

perhaps have you some idea on that ?

excuse my very bad english .

[andreas]

Dec 11, 2008 2:58:29 GMT -5 jeff said:

yes I use sometime 'worldlingo' my english is not very good ,desolate , perhaps like your french ANDREAS .

Worldlingo? Must try it! ;D

Cher Jeff,

you can put your mind at rest, your English is much better than my French. It´s a pity I lost all my knowledge in French which I learnt at school. But I´ve had no occasion to speak French. Perhaps I should join the French CP forum! To improve my French. You guys and ladies would have a lot of fun, I guess!

I just wanted to show these language tools often make translations even worse. ;D

Back to topic. It´s only now I come to know that there´s obviously a wide variation in these North American Pinguiculae!
I do have known of differences in flower colour - P. caerulea more veined or more lilac for example. P. lutea with paler flower colours or more sulphuric yellow. Do I have to calculate there´s much variation in all North American Pings? Does it only concern a different flower colour? Perhaps we need an extra thread where all morphologic variation is shown in pics... hehe...

Cheers,

Andreas

[daniel]

Hi my friends,

translation problems. ;D

As i have understood it correctely Jeff is asking if it would make sense to add for example "f. alba" to the species name, something like P. ionantha f. alba after there are also existing other flower colours.
For this it would be neccessary to look if the seedlings (self propagation) are also having pure white flowers, and this must be at least over a duration of 3 years.
Theoretically it would make sense, but i´m not a taxonomist to decide this.

Here are some new pictures, family pictures.



and the hole family


Brian, what flower colours do you have, which is the most often seen colour in nature?

Jeff, these days i´ll make a better picture from the sepals, the second and third flower are not fully opened till now.

Best regards,

Dani

[jeff]

Bonjour les amis

"magnifique" these pictures

ANDREAS - DANI look at the BRIAN report
www.floridacarnivorousplantsociety.org/thepinguiculakingdom.htm

you have all the color pallet

a ionantha white but also a purple with a dark purple throat
a lot of planifolia with different color
different lutea also .

for me all these different color are a mystery.
are they perennial ? the soil , is it responsible?the sunlight ?on the same station have you all these pallets of color mixed ?

I am also interested by these sepals color .

in europe all these characters( if they are perennial) can claim to the concept ( row) of form or variety ;D

[daniel]

Hi all,

here is an update.

Each of my 3 plants (in fact one plant that devided) has flowered 4 times. Of course i´ve tried to pollinate them like P. lutea, P. planifolia (selfing) and P. primuliflora (selfing).
With these 3 species it worked perfectly, big number of seed and it´s germinating. With my P. ionantha selfing has not worked, the seed capsules are riping but they have been empty, absolutely no seed inside, only very very very tiny "things" that will never germinate in my opinion.

So i decided to cross pollinate the last open flower of P. ionantha with one of the flowers of P. lutea with the result that in this seed capsule have been about 20 seed.

May a cross really has worked?

Today i´ve sown them out, perhaps they will really germinate.

Best regards,

Dani