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Post by daniel on Nov 28, 2008 21:40:03 GMT -5
Hi all, a little update.  Bad news about the seed capsule, it has swollen, but nothing is inside except a few very tiny things, that are to small for viable seed.   So it seems that self pollination is not the best way or i made a mistake, but after it has swollen........ But also some good news, the next plant is in flower. But again some not so good news, it reached the lights, because i was a few days not at home and of course it was burned by the lights.  But the vains are more colourful, it´s more glandular and it´s bigger (about 3,5 cm). And that´s the reason why i´ll show it, nethertheless it´s burned. ;D   After this time it´s also only one plant that´s in flower, i´m wondering what i have to do.  Today the first P. ionantha flower has opened (i know, it´s much earlier than normal). Last year i tried to self pollinate it and it also has not worked. So i´m wondering if i should try a crossing between P. ionantha and P. lutea. Brian, do you give this crossing a chance or should i try again self pollination with both species? These days i´ll also show some pictures of my 3 P. ionantha, it has devided last winter after flowering into 3 plants, what made me very happy. Best regards, Dani |
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Post by jeff on Nov 29, 2008 3:12:22 GMT -5
bonjour then good and bad new. do not think you not that before making a different hybridization between 2 species it would be preferable to test on 2 same species but of different plant ;D you have make like BRIAN tell us see these 2 pictures   not easy to make differently self polinisation is often a bad solution , a cross pollination is often preferable  . you have a sucesss in polinisation with the others US species? jeff |
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Post by Brian Barnes on Nov 29, 2008 9:37:59 GMT -5
Hi Dani and Jeff, Sorry to hear that you got no seed... In my experience, the first flowers of the season seem to be the "weakest" ones, as far as seed production and flower receptiveness. Usually, the ones that follow are more receptive to self pollination or cross pollination. For example, out of my three P. planifolia flowers that recently appeared a month or two ago...I only got one seed capsule, with few seed. They were even properly cross pollinated! To date, I have never been able to cross P. ionantha and P. lutea in cultivation, after several attempts. My advice is as follows; The burned flower is ok....use it! ;D The parts that matter are not damaged. When you only have one flower of each species to work with, then I would self-pollinate and hope for the best...P. ionantha is an extremely rare species 'in situ' so make tons of seed. You may have possibly kept the pollinated flower too hot/close to the lights after pollination, since your other flower is burnt. I always put mine in total shade for 24 hrs. after pollination. This seems to help the pollen "sink in" better, in my opinion.  Happy Growing, Brian. |
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Post by daniel on Nov 29, 2008 14:30:15 GMT -5
Hi Brian and Jeff, Jeff, of course i would prefer to cross 2 flowers from different plants from the same species, but what can i do if from each species only one plant is in flower in the moment. Theoretically i think that i was successful with the pollination after the seed capsule has swollen. BTW, nice pictures. Brian, good to hear that the later flowers have a bigger chance to be pollinated or even cross pollinated. OK Brian, that´s what i´ll do and thanks for the explantion. After the pollination of the first P. lutea flower i have removed the plant from the place it´s normally growing, but the distance to the lights has been about 15cm. This time i´ll give them total shade like you have suggested. After how many days after they have opened you are pollinating them? Thanks very much. Perhaps i´ll be more lucky this time. Best regards, Dani |
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Post by andreas on Nov 29, 2008 17:24:46 GMT -5
Hi guys, well, P. lutea is also a species I like to grow. And maybe in my new flat I´ll have space to grow it and of course other North American Pings next to my P. caeruleas. Jeff, indeed a very nice close-up. The purple venation on the Lutea flower is looking great! My artificial lighting is hanging outside of the terrarium so no plants can be burned. Sadly the flowers of North American Pings obviously need a high light level to open properly. Under my 2 36 W daylight tubes the petals of P. caerulea don´t really open: I´d need to place the plants under my sunny bathroom window to receive a fully open flower!  I´ll look for a flat which has sunny windows and also a terrace or balcony facing West or South! I hope I´ll find it - even if the distance to my work would increase! ;D Good luck, Dani, a nice Sunday to all of you! Andreas |
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Post by jeff on Nov 30, 2008 2:21:55 GMT -5
Bonjour à tous do you know the flowered duration ? is there perhaps a difference in maturity between the stigmat and the anther ? DANI you know for me it is more interesting to know and to save all these ping taxon to make an others hybrid see the P.pumila var buswellii if some among us had had seeds with the assistance of BRIAN and his company we could have saved it, it is as that which I conceive the culture of the ping not like a business ;D but can be agree you with me and that for you also it is your priority. jeff |
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Post by daniel on Nov 30, 2008 20:02:44 GMT -5
Hi Jeff and Andreas, Andreas, you are absolutely right, North American Pings obviously need a high light level to open properly, thats the reason why my P. ionantha flowers are not open fully, their inflorescence is much shorter and so they are getting a lower light level. Have you seen the beginning of this post too? Jeff, i think it will be open for at least 1 week to perhaps 10 days. Last time i self pollinated it after the 4th day. I hope that next time there will be 2 open flowers from each species, of course this would be the best. Jeff, i agree about P. pumila var. buswellii , what a pity. Best regards, Dani |
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